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Yes, I have being to death valley many times. I have gone up the Lippencott grade a few time and I know the trailer will have no issue going through this trail.. I know it will also make it through Steel Pass with no problem.

I have never being through Goler Wash or Mengel Pass. I have seeing a few videos and pictures of some of the hard parts of these trails and they don't look more difficult than the the Lippencott grade. You being through these trails. Do you think Goler Wash or Mengel Pass are more difficult than Lippencott grade?

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Sorry forgot to add my info.

Probably be just myself.

D2, 3" lift, 33" tires, HD F/R bumpers, winch w/ recovery kit, Hi-Lift, HD tie rod & drag link, CB (will have HAM radio to monitor, hopefully license by then too)

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Yes, I have being to death valley many times. I have gone up the Lippencott grade a few time and I know the trailer will have no issue going through this trail.. I know it will also make it through Steel Pass with no problem.

I have never being through Goler Wash or Mengel Pass. I have seeing a few videos and pictures of some of the hard parts of these trails and they don't look more difficult than the the Lippencott grade. You being through these trails. Do you think Goler Wash or Mengel Pass are more difficult than Lippencott grade?

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Antonio, the book for part of our route this year describes Echo Pass as one of the most difficult parts. The author says:

"stop and scout the route on foot before attempting...this Class V pitch should not be under estimated. I would not recommend that the drivers of pickups or long wheelbase vehicles attempt these dry falls. When I last scouted this route, a Jeep CJ5 with large tires went up and down the obstacle with ease; however, a Land Rover got hung up on the rocks and its driver had to winch himself..."

The book is from 2006. Just something to consider.


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Antonio, the book for part of our route this year describes Echo Pass as one of the most difficult parts. The author says:

"stop and scout the route on foot before attempting...this Class V pitch should not be under estimated. I would not recommend that the drivers of pickups or long wheelbase vehicles attempt these dry falls. When I last scouted this route, a Jeep CJ5 with large tires went up and down the obstacle with ease; however, a Land Rover got hung up on the rocks and its driver had to winch himself..."

The book is from 2006. Just something to consider.



Yes, that is our toughest obstacle, but I've heard it described as not much harder than Mengel. Never done it -- but I'm confident we can get rigs through it even if they are stock. We may need a winch line or a tug strap.

Here is the video that shows various types of rigs. It looks like an offroad trailer could make it to me...


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Good Video, I don't think I will have problems making it through here with my trailer. If I have issues, i can always get myself winch out. I am more concern about my car making through here than the actual trailer. If the H2 made it through, i don't see why any land rover would not make it.

I will bring some fire wood, do we need to get a fire permit?

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I looked a few weeks ago for this year's fire permit. Didn't see one so I just changed the date to 2012 and printed a few.

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Yes, that is our toughest obstacle, but I've heard it described as not much harder than Mengel. Never done it -- but I'm confident we can get rigs through it even if they are stock. We may need a winch line or a tug strap.

Here is the video that shows various types of rigs. It looks like an offroad trailer could make it to me...


Good video. Looks a little tight around that first corner, but that jeep that needed a winch had tires that looked pretty bald... and it is a jeep... the stock H2 and FJ made it no problem. Can't wait to tackle it!
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Kevin - can you check out this thread --http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=119852 and figure out how to snag the Death Valley waypoints file this guy is talking about from GPXchange?

I think this would be good starting point. What is a good mapping software that you use? Garmins? If so, maybe we could start sharing files.


Chuck...sent you some info on this via e-mail. Let me know if you have any questions.


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Replied to email. We will need to be careful with fires in Death Valley National Park proper. They aren't allowed except in "existing firepits". So some of our campsites may need to go without a fire.

If someone has room, and can haul a nice charcoal BBQ that we could use, that might be beneficial. We could maybe get away with using it as our small firepit in certain spots...
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Antonio, my only concern with pulling a trailer is that we may (and almost certainly will) encounter some very tight places in the trail where you might have trouble getting the trailer through. Remember that when you are pulling a trailer, you have to swing wider on the turns so that the trailer doesn't wind up jammed against the inside of the turn as it will track tighter around the turn than the Rover needs to. This can mean that sometimes you won't be able to choose exactly the line that you'd prefer, or that in extreme situations you may wind up with the trailer jammed up and the only way around the obstacle is to unhitch the trailer and manhandle or winch it around the obstacle, then hook it back up. Depending on how many tight switchbacks and turns there are in the trail, you might very well wind up cursing that trailer by the end of the day. Or it may be not problem...we don't know this trail, (or several of the trails we'll be taking) so we just have no way of knowing if it's going to be a problem or not. We might need to go onto one of the DV sites and simply ask the oldtimers who are familiar with the area about towing a trailer over the proposed roads/routes and follow their recommendations.

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I signed up on Death-Valley.net a few nights ago. There is a post about Ward Walter's and Bob Calkin's cabin and there is supposed to be a Google Earth image with directions to it from Henry Wade Rd. I can't find the image in GE, and posted a question about directions to the Cabin. We'll see if anyone responds, seems like a slow forum.

I also ordered the DV map Chuck posted a link to from Amazon last night. I'm looking forward to pinning it on the wall and checking out our route(s).

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Good to know that fires are not allow outside the camp sites, so i won't bring much fire wood. I may still bring a few logs just in case.

I respect everyone's input in me bringing my off road trailer. I definitely don't want to be a burden on this trip. Since not many of us have gone through these trails and don't know what to expect. I will leave the trailer behind this time. We will know for next year.

How much water and gas is everyone taking? I plan to take 10gal of fuel and about 20 gal of water. 10 gal for cooking and washing and 10gal for a quick shower. I will fill out my water jugs in Trona so i don't have to carry all the water all the way.

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I'm not to be able to make the trip but I have a propane powered campfire that is pretty good. Would need 2-3 5 gal tanks for the trip. I'd be willing to loan it out. I hate camping without a campfire.

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I'm taking 10 gal of fuel and a 5 gal NATO water can along with a flat of water bottles too. With the trip being in early April should the temps be pretty mild during the day, and chilly at night?

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I signed up on Death-Valley.net a few nights ago. There is a post about Ward Walter's and Bob Calkin's cabin and there is supposed to be a Google Earth image with directions to it from Henry Wade Rd. I can't find the image in GE, and posted a question about directions to the Cabin. We'll see if anyone responds, seems like a slow forum.

I also ordered the DV map Chuck posted a link to from Amazon last night. I'm looking forward to pinning it on the wall and checking out our route(s).


Thats the one. Keep the dates of our trip a secret. We don't want to be beat out by some of those guys. I do already have detailed directions and GPS coordinates to the cabin. Our first trip, we got beat out to a couple cabins cause some guy was reading our forum while he was doing trip planning -- and left a day early so he got the prime spots...
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I'm not to be able to make the trip but I have a propane powered campfire that is pretty good. Would need 2-3 5 gal tanks for the trip. I'd be willing to loan it out. I hate camping without a campfire.


I like that idea. Not sure who would have the room to haul it... but that would be great.... Can anyone from Livermore work with Chris to borrow?
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Good to know that fires are not allow outside the camp sites, so i won't bring much fire wood. I may still bring a few logs just in case.

I respect everyone's input in me bringing my off road trailer. I definitely don't want to be a burden on this trip. Since not many of us have gone through these trails and don't know what to expect. I will leave the trailer behind this time. We will know for next year.

How much water and gas is everyone taking? I plan to take 10gal of fuel and about 20 gal of water. 10 gal for cooking and washing and 10gal for a quick shower. I will fill out my water jugs in Trona so i don't have to carry all the water all the way.


Each person should bring enough logs for one nights fire. We will be camping on BLM land for parts of our trip -- they allow us to have fires...
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Yeah I remember you posting that those people snaked your sites. I didn't post any questions that gave away dates or even who we are. Your secret is safe with me Chuck.

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1 gallon per person per day is a good reference for your water. I'm bringing 10 gallons of water (for my family) and also water bottles, etc. Note that there will be places along the way for us to refill our water -- so bring nice bottles, etc..

As far as weather goes -- it is unpredicatible. Could get into the 70's and 80's during the day, down to the 30's at night? Plan for wind, and maybe even rain/snow. We will be going from below sea level elevation all the way up to 7500 feet on this trek,
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1 gallon per person per day is a good reference for your water. I'm bringing 10 gallons of water (for my family) and also water bottles, etc. Note that there will be places along the way for us to refill our water -- so bring nice bottles, etc..

As far as weather goes -- it is unpredicatible. Could get into the 70's and 80's during the day, down to the 30's at night? Plan for wind, and maybe even rain/snow. We will be going from below sea level elevation all the way up to 7500 feet on this trek,


Wind was crazy ridiculous last year. Our tent fly was not the kind that goes all the way to the ground so the wind caught it one night and flipped the tent over with our 11 year-old daughter and all of our stuff still inside. We had to guy the tent down to our Rovers a few times.

We brought 14 gals of water plus some frozen water bottles for our family of 5 last year.


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