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Clarification on disappearing bigger 15" & 16" tire sizes

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As some/most of you know the BFG KM2 tires have been dropping some of the more popular bigger sizes for our trucks. The venerable 33" 255/85/r16 tires are no longer available in the KM2. In fact, I just checked Tire Rack and came up with 0 results for that size. There have been a few differing opinions on why these sizes are NLA. Some say it was penny pinchers, some suggest that the KM3 is coming out, and other say it's not a high enough seller anymore since the 17" and 18" wheels are becoming the norm.

 

I figured Bill Burke would be a good person to get a straight answer. He was unaware about the reduced sizes (he runs the same 255/85 on his D90) and contacted a friend a Michelin. He was told that size is going by the way side and offered some comparable sizes for a 17" wheel, which doesn't really help. It was mentioned that maybe the 34 x 10.5 r16 will be the replacement. However a quick search on Tire Rack doesn't even list a 34" tall tire as an option.

 

My current set of tires will probably need replacing this Fall. Hopefully by then there's a decent option. I'll keep this post updated with my findings.

 

 


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If I am getting rid of my 16" rims, I am going full donk on some 26 ers.


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There is always these. http://www.intercoti...es.php?id=8&g=1

Might be the route I'm going next.
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I don't think I want to daily drive that tire. From their page:

 

 

 

This is an extremely aggressive design that requires strict attention to air pressure when run on the highway. 

 

Max air pressure is listed at 45psi. The D2 is actually 46 for the rear. The KM2 could go up to 80 psi. The Interco load rating is 2370 lbs, but the KM2 has a load rating of around 3200 lbs. This tire feels like a down grade for me.


Edited by Disco2Guy, 07 May 2015 - 10:43 AM.

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Once the Wrangler went to 17" stock it was only a matter of time.  Plus those guys laugh at anything under 35" anyway, given that the stock Rubi tire is 31" (?).

 

Blame it on brakes getting bigger.  Few trucks build recently could take a 15" wheel.  


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I'm happy with my Cooper ST MAXXs! (and they seem to be available in 255/85R16)

 

http://www.treaddepo...0000019869.html

 

http://expeditionpor...cooper-st-maxx/

 

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Thanks Nick! Those look like a good contender for the next set. Which truck(s) are you running them on? From the ExPo write up they sound like a pretty quiet tire (haha). How long have you had them and what are your impressions?


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I'm had them on my white '95 LWB for the past 9 months and 5k+ miles (235/85R16). I switched from the GY MTR Kevlars because I wanted something quieter, smoother, and better in rain/snow. So far, they've been a great tire - much quieter than any MT, tread is pretty aggressive, and construction seems VERY stout. I've taken it to a couple of MORGs, the last Annual, and to Slickrock, and bashed them up quite a bit on the rocks and run them through some mud. They still look great and no damage. Traction on all surfaces is great. Only thing is the ST MAXX is a heavy tire.



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Where have you run them in the rain? Certainly not here in CA!


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Haha, fair point - just the "storm of the decade" a few months back, and Tahoe.  Come take a look at them - not too far from you!



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Just a heads up guys, the sky is indeed not falling in regards to the venerable 16"  BFG KM2 33's (255/85R16) This is some info that has been collected from a few places but that being said..

 

 

"The reason for the stop in production is so our plants could start including the European stamp of approval on the sidewall of the tires. That stamp simply makes the tires legal to use in the United States as well as Europe. This will be the only difference between the two KM2's as they will be made and look the same (plus the ECE symbol).

Sincerely,
 
Jon
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Certified BFGoodrich Product Expert"

 

 

The KM2 in size LT255/85R16 will be available May 1st and the part number is 04222



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I came across a similar post on TacomaWorld from a couple weeks ago, only they state that the tires will be available in June. Why couldn't BFG make that abundantly clear on their site or something? I bet they've lost thousands of tire sales since January because of this lack of information.


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Brenton, these may be more for you. I don't daily my rig, so things like noise are a non factor for me. They do have a comparable load rating to the KM2s.
http://www.intercoti...s.php?id=51&g=1
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Brenton, these may be more for you. I don't daily my rig, so things like noise are a non factor for me. They do have a comparable load rating to the KM2s.
http://www.intercoti...s.php?id=51&g=1

 

Tyler,

 

Those are very noisy I'm told by people I know running them.

 

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I don't think I want to daily drive that tire. From their page:

 

 

Max air pressure is listed at 45psi. The D2 is actually 46 for the rear. The KM2 could go up to 80 psi. The Interco load rating is 2370 lbs, but the KM2 has a load rating of around 3200 lbs. This tire feels like a down grade for me.

 

Brenton,

 

You're not comparing like with like.  Those are the LT "floatation" versions.  The tire you have has a lower pressure (35PSI for max load) when in an LT version.  Normal road versions are designated by width, aspect ratio, and wheel size.  LT floatation sizes are designated by diameter, width, wheel size.

 

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Ive been real happy with the 255/85-16 MAXXIS MT-762 BIGHORN . Plus at a 166 they cant be beat.


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Ive been real happy with the 255/85-16 MAXXIS MT-762 BIGHORN . Plus at a 166 they cant be beat.

Stumbled across THIS

 

Some folks seem to agree with you Lutzi  ;-)


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Brenton,

 

You're not comparing like with like.  Those are the LT "floatation" versions.  The tire you have has a lower pressure (35PSI for max load) when in an LT version.  Normal road versions are designated by width, aspect ratio, and wheel size.  LT floatation sizes are designated by diameter, width, wheel size.

 

Graeme

 

You know, I've searched trying to find what exactly the difference is when LT is used (other than it means Light Truck) or why some tires are listed by diameter-width etc. What designates a flotation tire vs. a road tire, or what are the main differences?


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You know, I've searched trying to find what exactly the difference is when LT is used (other than it means Light Truck) or why some tires are listed by diameter-width etc. What designates a flotation tire vs. a road tire, or what are the main differences?

 

Brenton,

 

All the cool guys use floatation sizes because we can point and say "hey look, I've got 35s", whereas you have to say "I have a 285/75/16 and if you look it up it really is a 33 ... hey, here's a tape measure to prove it".

 

I wish I still had contact with the guy that I used to get motorcycle tires from when I lived in Germany (he was actually in the U.K., which led to some interesting trips from the U.K. to Germany on to a Honda VFR750, with two spare tires strapped on as a rear passenger).  He once explained all the stuff about how they wrap the belting, the direction, the tie-off, the lamination, etc.  It all gets very complex.  A normal tire is radially wound (thus, radial) and I believe floatation sizes have some wraps at an angle, but not so much that they are deemed crossply or belted.  It's all in the belts, but exactly how I don't remember. It ends up with P-metric and metric sized radials needing more pressure to keep the sidewall together, whereas floatation sizes being physically stronger or stiffer need less pressure.  Hopefully though, someone reading this has more knowledge than me and can explain better.

 

Regards,

 

Graeme


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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
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I'm sure Google knows, but I'd rather sit back and listen.  Not going to matter to me anyway being a P-metric sorta guy.


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