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Uh-Oh! A Land Rover Horror Story

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Well, the worst has pretty much happened. As some of you know my truck overheated on the way back to college and I ended up having to fly out. I got the truck towed to Cerrone's European, and had them diagnose. They called me yesterday saying the coolant system was over pressurizing, damaging the cap to the coolant reservoir along with the bleed screw. After checking a few things, Frank called back this afternoon, and said there was a 90% chance it had a liner issue. So, essentially the truck needs an engine. 

 

I have decided that if I am going to replace the engine in my beloved Discovery, I need to guarantee that I am not going to have the same issue in three months, so I have decided to get a block rebuilt improved with top hat liners and ARP studs, mitigating the liner and head gasket issues that plague the 4.6 motor. Right now Q and E in Anaheim are looking like my first choice to build up the new block. I'm going to call tomorrow and figure out what pricing will be etc.

 

More updates as events happen

 

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I like the idea of a coyote engine or even an LS option... I'll definitely be following along.

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I like the idea of a coyote engine or even an LS option... I'll definitely be following along.
 

 

Greg,

 

Don't even sow that seed in his head .... it has taken him two years to not complete a VW direct-swap engine transplant in a Golf.

 

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Graeme Ware -- San Carlos, CA

1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
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I like the idea of a coyote engine or even an LS option... I'll definitely be following along.
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There is Graeme's point (although I'm not the only one with stagnating projects, I seem to remember a green one in your driveway... :P) plus the fact that, especially on the DII, it is hard enough to get the factory computers to play nice with each other, never mind an ECM from a Ford or Chevy. Also, if I was going to swap the motor for something else, it would probably be with a V10 TDI out of Touareg, and that opens up a whole new can of worms. It's just more of a project than I am willing to sign up for right now.

Edited by lilcrawler, 20 January 2016 - 06:57 AM.

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5.7 LS swap.  GM 6-spd trans.  LT230 w/adapter plate.  Hotrod stand-alone wiring harness.  Convert everything else Rover specific to manual.  

 

You have a NM address.  You could make it work, at least until you moved back to CA.

 

 

Seriously though, putting a stock motor back in it (or maybe one that's been breathed on a bit...small cam?  extrude-hone the manifolds?) is a much easier solution especially given you don't have the time/place to do a long term project.


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Where did this impression come from that I wanted more power? I'd be happy with a motor that worked reliably (i.e will not slip a liner). Plus as soon as you start adding this stuff the price adds up. I know Graeme stocks performance cams that will let it pass smog, but he prices them at "more than I want to pay." I feel like you guys are living vicariously through my engine troubles... :)

I called Q and E this morning, and it sounded like they would install top hat liners, rebore the cylinders, and install new cam bearings for $1500 including parts, which is really not a bad deal. However the guy I talked to over the phone sounded like he didn't really handle the Rover stuff, so that may not be accurate. They are going to call me back once the Rover guy is in.

Edited by lilcrawler, 20 January 2016 - 09:58 AM.

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Well, they called back. $1500 will get me:

-Top hat liners

-New cam bearings

-Block bored out to the size of the piston

-Block machined flat

 

 

This is not a bad deal, especially since that $1500 includes parts. Right now he is out of liners, but once the shipment is in, he said I should plan on two weeks for a rebuild. Right now, I think that Q and E is the best deal, and I'll probably end up having them rebuild the motor. 

 

Another thing that I should mention is they no longer offer the "exchange." You have to send them an engine first. Now I have to decide how I am going to get them an engine.


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Tyler my next project is down in LA. If you source a block in the Bay Area, I could probably drive it down there. But that assumes I have a rig I can use to haul it. Will it fit in the back of a Prius? 

 

As you know, my Rover is down as well at Dan's place. I don't know when it will be alive again.


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Tyler my next project is down in LA. If you source a block in the Bay Area, I could probably drive it down there. But that assumes I have a rig I can use to haul it. Will it fit in the back of a Prius? 

 

As you know, my Rover is down as well at Dan's place. I don't know when it will be alive again.

 

Chuck,

 

V8 in a Prius?  Too late, it has been done already.

 

https://www.facebook.com/LSXPrius/

 

I really like the wheels, subtly widened to 8" ....

 

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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
1993 Jaguar XJS convertible; 1971 Triumph GT6; 1959 Morris Minor convertible, Tesla Model 3,
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Tyler, if you dont get a block down there before shaver I'm sure one of us SCLR guys that are coming up for the run could get your block down to where it needs to be. Or conversely, if you manage to get a block down there and they have the liners in stock in time to get the block sorted before shaver someone from SCLR could ferry it up to save on shipping. Just a thought..

 

Chuck, a bare V8 block will fit in the back of the Prius no problem.. Smaller than some suitcases..


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Got Tyler sorted out :rolleyes:


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Thanks everyone! I ended up purchasing a block from Nathan, who is traveling down to the LA area in a couple weeks. He said he could drop it off at Q and E. In order to get it back up to the truck, the plan is to have my Dad drive a Prius down, since he is working in the area, and drive back up to the Bay Area with the new motor. 

 

Graeme, I'm going to steal your joke there. I've had a couple friends that have been telling me to put a V8 in a Prius for a long time. Your son among them... His wish is finally becoming a reality. :P


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The prius hatch is big enough to handle a fully assembled motor?  Or are you just having them do the short block?


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The prius hatch is big enough to handle a fully assembled motor?  Or are you just having them do the short block?

 Don, IIRC Q&E just do a stripped bare block with liners and cam bearings.



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Nice work. I am sure you will be excited to get the truck back on the road.


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 Don, IIRC Q&E just do a stripped bare block with liners and cam bearings.

Makes more sense.  Though I love the functionality of hatches, I couldn't see a Prius swallowing a complete motor.

 

My old Saab 9-3 now...that might have done it.  I put a washing machine, 6' shelf, and a couple large bags of mulch in it and still closed the hatch one day.


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Makes more sense.  Though I love the functionality of hatches, I couldn't see a Prius swallowing a complete motor.
 
My old Saab 9-3 now...that might have done it.  I put a washing machine, 6' shelf, and a couple large bags of mulch in it and still closed the hatch one day.


I could see it. I once had:
Two front doors from a Mk2 Golf
DII Radius arms
DII front and rear bumpers


All in my Prius at the same time.
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Tyler, will Q&E do a block test on the motor?


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Tyler, will Q&E do a block test on the motor?

He said on most of the blocks he got in, top hat liners fixed the issue because now the liner seals against the head gasket. If he noticed a crack, he would repair it as part of the $1500.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by block test. Do you think you may have an issue?

Edited by lilcrawler, 22 January 2016 - 05:56 AM.

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