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I like the idea of a coyote engine or even an LS option... I'll definitely be following along.

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No, I'm ok for now.  For you, you just want to be sure the new motor doesn't have any potential issues before doing all that work. This is how to do the pressure test. You may not be able to see the pin prick size hole like in this video without the water shooting from it.

 


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Interesting. I hadn't seen that before. I'll ask him about it when I call again to let them know the engine is coming. From talking to him the first time, it sounded like he would look for and repair things like that, but I'm not sure how he would go about looking for those kinds of issues.

 

 

On a different note, I'm going to get the rotating assembly balanced, but the new motor didn't come with a flywheel on it. It appears I have two options:

1. Find a flywheel and send it down to Q and E to be balanced

2. Find a shop to balance it up in the Bay Area, and transfer the flywheel off of my current motor.

 

 

I think option 1 will be easier than finding a shop to balance it, and having two different shops work on the motor, but right now I could go with either. Does anyone know of a shop to balance the new motor up in NorCal? Also, does anyone have a spare flywheel kicking around that I could get off of them?

 

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No, I'm ok for now.  For you, you just want to be sure the new motor doesn't have any potential issues before doing all that work. This is how to do the pressure test. You may not be able to see the pin prick size hole like in this video without the water shooting from it.

 

 

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This proves a block is bad, but not that it is good.  Most hairline cracks only show when the motor is (very) hot.  I have a home-made block off kit (some pieces of 1/4" plate drilled to the stud centers, rubber sheet underneath) and a modified (read: epoxy in all the holes) water pump, but really it isn't worth the time.  Good in theory, but a waste of time in practice.  If the leak is in the bore it doesn't matter because a properly installed top-hat will solve the issue anyway.

 

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Edited by GraemeWare, 22 January 2016 - 10:09 AM.

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Can't they just mag it to check for cracks?

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Can't they just mag it to check for cracks?

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Nick,

 

Yes, but few places can do that these days.  I don't know of anywhere in the Bay Area that can magnaflux a V8.

 

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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
1993 Jaguar XJS convertible; 1971 Triumph GT6; 1959 Morris Minor convertible, Tesla Model 3,
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really? i must be out of touch. i thought a block was always mag'd before it was machine for a rebuild. if needed i can see if my engine builder up here can still do it. i know all my v8's were mag'd when built up.

 

 

Nick,

 

Yes, but few places can do that these days.  I don't know of anywhere in the Bay Area that can magnaflux a V8.

 

Graeme


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really? i must be out of touch. i thought a block was always mag'd before it was machine for a rebuild. if needed i can see if my engine builder up here can still do it. i know all my v8's were mag'd when built up.

 

Nick,

 

Sorry, you missed my humor ... it is an aluminum block ... rather hard to magnaflux ....

 

Graeme


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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
1993 Jaguar XJS convertible; 1971 Triumph GT6; 1959 Morris Minor convertible, Tesla Model 3,
other assorted British pot metal ...


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Nick,
 
Sorry, you missed my humor ... it is an aluminum block ... rather hard to magnaflux ....
 
Graeme


Maybe you should have said Rover V8. Not just a V8 in general. I missed it too.
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Maybe you should have said Rover V8. Not just a V8 in general. I missed it too.

 

Sorry, thought this was a Rover forum ...

 

Regards,

 

Graeme


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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
1993 Jaguar XJS convertible; 1971 Triumph GT6; 1959 Morris Minor convertible, Tesla Model 3,
other assorted British pot metal ...


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Just as a suggestion on a shop to handle any extra work I'd recomend Morgan's Speed and Marine in Walnut Creek. I don't know if the old man who used to run the place is still there but they've built just about everything from European exotics to big inch blown American iron. They do standard machine and assembly work, but have the knowledge to handle full custom race builds too.

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Nick,

Sorry, you missed my humor ... it is an aluminum block ... rather hard to magnaflux ....

Graeme

Come to think of it every engine I've had built was a diesel with a iron block...

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You're looking for a fly wheel not a flex plate? Thought you had an auto trans.

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You're looking for a fly wheel not a flex plate? Thought you had an auto trans.


I do have the auto trans. My terminology is probably not as specific as it should be, but I keep seeing them called "flywheel with flex plate" or something similar. Like this: http://m.ebay.com/it...3370?nav=SEARCH


$50 isn't bad, but I think I'm going to ask Dan to pull one off the parts truck when he takes out the transmission for dad.
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I do have the auto trans. My terminology is probably not as specific as it should be, but I keep seeing them called "flywheel with flex plate" or something similar. Like this: http://m.ebay.com/it...3370?nav=SEARCH


$50 isn't bad, but I think I'm going to ask Dan to pull one off the parts truck when he takes out the transmission for dad.

With free shipping that's probably a pretty good deal.  

I'm sure that ad was just using both terms to hit all the key words possible. 


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With free shipping that's probably a pretty good deal.  

I'm sure that ad was just using both terms to hit all the key words possible. 

 

 

Yeah, probably where my confusion came from. That and all of the ads I had seen said "flex plate( or flywheel)." However I could get away with it, because the likelihood that I could find a DII flywheel in the US is very slim. I don't think I have ever seen a manual transmission DII.


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I put a bmw transmission in my sport this weekend ... Probably easier than a v8 in the prius :)

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Good news! It turns out that my block actually has the flex plate/ flywheel on it, so that solves that issue. Here are some pictures for the curious.

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Do all the D2's has aluminum oil pans?

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Do all the D2's has aluminum oil pans?

 

Yes.

 

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1990 Range Rover Classic - LT230 Transfer box, Warn winch, 2" lift, 235/85-16 Dunlop MUD Rovers, "Blue Submarine"
1996 Discovery 1 (R380 Manual Transmission, Ashcroft under-drive, RoverWare rear bumper, 33x12.5-15 BFG ATs) -- we call her "Katrina" -- Fordyce 7.5 mile survivor
1999 Discovery 2 (D1 CDL Linkage, 265/75-16 BFG A/T KO, RoverWare front and rear bumper)
1993 Jaguar XJS convertible; 1971 Triumph GT6; 1959 Morris Minor convertible, Tesla Model 3,
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