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P38 - Slipped Liner / Blown Gasket

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After a new radiator, new thermostat, new coolant expansion tank cap, and bleeding the system multiple times, I am still overheating. Unfortunate. I thought the issue was fixed as I was able to drive about 4 miles round trip all in San Francisco (hills up and down) without incident - then randomly overheated on the way home from work. I can only assume at this point that I've either got a blown head gasket or slipped liner.

 

The Rover is a 2001 HSE. Other than this issue, the car is in great shape. 103k miles. Original air suspension still intact and working.

 

I'm not sure it's financially worth saving so I figured I'd post here and get some input. What would you do? 

 

 


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Sorry you are having issues with your RR,

 

Land Rovers almost never make sense financially...

So I guess it all depends on how attached you are to it and what your long term plan is with it, if you want to keep it for years then it may be worth putting the money on it.

 

I would also bring it to some reputable mechanic that can accurately describe the problem, it may not be what you are fearing, these things are a bit temperamental :)

 

To me, I keep them as second cars, so I can enjoy with friends on overland trips or offroad, for me is well worth expending the money or time to fix and maintain,... so far anyway.

 

HTH



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I agree with David;  not sure if you can make your way to Walnut Creek, but Colin Brown has been a long time supporter of the club and is well-versed in Land Rover / Range Rover.  He will be able to diagnose the issue at a reasonable cost.

 

If I were working on a purely financial weight while deciding to repair/fix RedRover, we would have been out of that truck ages ago... when you factor in the memories and amazing adventures we've done, it softens the blow a bit.

 

Sounds like you need to get out on trail with your P38 a bit more!  :D


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Thanks guys. Yes, there is sentimental value that outweigh's the financial value for sure. That said, if it's new engine time, I'm probably going to be moving on to another Rover project. I'm having it towed to my longtime mechanic (Ed Wright's British Car Repair) up in Marin for his opinion. I could have it towed to Colin Brown too if it makes sense. I'd love to keep it as our second car. But, I'd also love a Classic . . . a Portofino Red Classic! 

 

And yes, you are right, I should get out on the trail more with this! Nick Tan told me about this group and I joined last year but we had another baby and I never really managed to get out to anything social with regards to the club. Maybe 2017 is the year . . .


Edited by Gngroup, 05 January 2017 - 03:24 PM.

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Portofino red RRC?  Now that's just sucking up to Jared.  You know it's his wife that's president, not him.  ;)

 

I would pretty much agree with everything already said.  From a purely financial standpoint it rarely makes sense to keep these things on the road.  I've spent many thousands 'improving' my LR3 but the end result of my 'improvements' is to actually lower it's resale value as that also means I use it pretty hard off road.  But hey, some people go out to nice dinners or to the bars or go to the movies every weekend.  I play with Rovers.  

 

 

I was also going to suggest Colin at CT Moterwerks in Walnut Creek but if you've got somebody you trust that should be fine.  If it's just a head gasket that won't be a crushing blow.  If it's a slipped liner that would be more significant certainly.  I didn't see what year it was - 4.0 or 4.6?  If it's a 4.0 it may be cheaper to swap engines than do a rebuild.  Or maybe this could be a chance to upgrade some things.  You won't know for sure until you get a solid diagnosis.


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Funny enough, I have always liked the Red RRC's!

Mine is a 2001 4.6 HSE
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I'd actually love to convert it to a Turbo Diesel but I am not so sure that's possible; especially in California.
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The Cummings create motor is an option, will cost you 8k though. I think Tyler just recently did a rebuild on that engine in his D2. Might be good to connect with him or Chuck.

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I have one of those. Sorry to hear about your troubles. Mine has a coolant leak. Not sure of the source yet but it doesn't overheat. Hope you can get it sorted out. Keep us updated please

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Results are in . . . Combustible gases in the cooling system. It is either a head gasket or a liner. I think this is the end of the line for me and this Rover. I'll probably post it in the classifieds shortly as someone on here may be more inclined and/or mechanically capable to deal with the issues.
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Can u tell if it's a liner without removing the heads?

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I was told there is no guarantee that fixing the heads would solve it if it was in fact a liner. So, I assume no.
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I was told there is no guarantee that fixing the heads would solve it if it was in fact a liner. So, I assume no.

 

Sadly, there is no way to tell the difference without opening up the top end.  While a slipped liner may be visible at that time, it is possible that it isn't evident even with the heads off, resulting in a $2000-2500 job for nothing.  Doing it yourself is a 16+ hour job and $300 of parts.  Unfortunately, that is why P38s and D2s are worth $750-$1000 once this happens.

 

Regards,

 

Graeme


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For 3 - 4K you can get a new, rebuilt engine block with liner sleeves pinned. But you have to find someone to take out the old and put in the new, which is not a trivial task. When Tyler did his, Tiger Dan stepped up. But it was a very time consuming process on the D2. .I'm sure if you asked him he could quote you the hours.


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Sadly, there is no way to tell the difference without opening up the top end. While a slipped liner may be visible at that time, it is possible that it isn't evident even with the heads off, resulting in a $2000-2500 job for nothing. Doing it yourself is a 16+ hour job and $300 of parts. Unfortunately, that is why P38s and D2s are worth $750-$1000 once this happens.

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Pity - might have been interested if just a HG job. - that hold no terrors for me!

Can attest to the time - did it last year on the 4.2 in my classic. Time consuming is an easy way of describing it. Would also up the cost if you get the heads refurbed.

Edited by Timbo, 17 January 2017 - 02:06 PM.


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Thanks all. It could end up being just the heads but as was stated, no way to tell for sure. Seems a new (or rebuilt) engine is the answer. I don't think I'll spend the money on this one but I appreciate everyone's insight.
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If your inclined and can strip the heads off yourself you could always take a look at the state of the gaskets.

When I got mine off it was fairly obvious where they had gone as they had corroded and started to disintegrate in the small patch between the water jacket and the rear cylinder bore.
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Timbo - that is well beyond my ability level unfortunately. I'm also recovering from shoulder surgery yesterday so wrenching on the car and bikes is not in the cards for me at the moment regardless. I do love this Rover and would like to keep it but the financial cost outweighs the sentimental value and my (lack of) mechanical skills don't bridge the gap.


Edited by Gngroup, 20 January 2017 - 12:07 PM.

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Any ideas on where the best place to list this for sale is? I posted it on the local CL yesterday. Alternatively, any thoughts on places to donate it to (assuming they'd even take it)?


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Any ideas on where the best place to list this for sale is? I posted it on the local CL yesterday. Alternatively, any thoughts on places to donate it to (assuming they'd even take it)?

 

How much are you asking and where are you located?  I hear there is a home for old Land Rovers in Walnut Grove ....

 

Graeme


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