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My D1 has GBR HD rear axles.  That's great, except I broke one at the beginning of December and GBR still doesn't have any in stock.  No word on if/when they will get them.  Talking to Bill can be ... frustrating ... sometimes.  Actually I take that back, talking to him is fine.  Getting him actually to return a call is the frustrating part!

 

So maybe I need to look at going to a different option.  Just checked the Ashcroft site and guess what?  Also shows out of stock on D1 axles.  Hmmmm....

 

So what other options are on the table?  Looking for maximum strength here as I'm currently on 35x12.50s and there's more than half a chance I'll go up to 37s eventually.  


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try calling lucky 8 as they bought out Keith (rovertraks) he used to make really nice HD one piece one's I am using them in my 25th (but I drive like a Grandma! :lol: )

 

If you go up to 37's you may want to use a Toyota third member 30 spline or even think about a dana 44


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Hmmm....looking at L8's site they list Ashcroft.  Just at a rather higher price than buying direct!  On the Ashcroft site they're 260 pounds (sorry 'murican keyboard...) and with current exchange rate that's about $370.  Or buy from L8 at only $558! 

 

They also have KAM at $520, and TerraFirma drive flanges.  Not sure, but the TF flanges look a lot like my GBR flanges - I wasn't planning to buy flanges but if I change to a different brand I guess that could be a possibility.


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try calling lucky 8 as they bought out Keith (rovertraks) he used to make really nice HD one piece one's I am using them in my 25th (but I drive like a Grandma! :lol: )

 

If you go up to 37's you may want to use a Toyota third member 30 spline or even think about a dana 44

 

Toyota probably the cheapest way . A built d44 or d60 would be the best but thats some big money


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Hmmm....looking at L8's site they list Ashcroft. Just at a rather higher price than buying direct! On the Ashcroft site they're 260 pounds (sorry 'murican keyboard...) and with current exchange rate that's about $370. Or buy from L8 at only $558!

They also have KAM at $520, and TerraFirma drive flanges. Not sure, but the TF flanges look a lot like my GBR flanges - I wasn't planning to buy flanges but if I change to a different brand I guess that could be a possibility.


Or RoverWare.US in stock here http://www.roverware...le-half-shafts/
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A D60 is way overkill for 37s I would think.  It's also pretty huge.  I know very little about the Toy options as I generally avoid anything Toyota out of principal.  

 

Given an open budget, I'd look at something from Currie in a fabricated 9".  Smaller than the big Danas so more clearance; lighter; and should be plenty strong for anything I'd build out of this truck.  But all that's beside the point.  For now just planning to stick in a new axle.


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uncle doug has sals for cheap and will ship them on d source

 

edit: added link

 

http://www.defenders...rys-127809.html


Edited by DiscoDavis, 25 January 2018 - 05:19 PM.

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uncle doug has sals for cheap and will ship them on d source

 

edit: added link

 

http://www.defenders...rys-127809.html

Now let's not get silly....again, I'm just planning to replace the one broken shaft, or both of them if need be.  Not planning a complete housing swap!


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I ran the Rubicon with Nick and Stephano and you who were all on HD shafts.  If any would have broken I would have suspected nick because of all the weight he carries. I/m surprised it was the axle that let go first on yours.  I wonder if the one you broke didn't have a flaw in it or something.  If it were my money I think I would get the set from RoverWare and carry a stock spare.  The rubicon can be done on stock shafts, I know a guy who does it...



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Looking at the aftermath, I was in a really bad spot when it broke.  Pushing that passenger side tire into a pretty big undercut.  

 

Moral of this story:  Don't trust the spotter holding the beer!

 

However, it may have had some sort of flaw as well.  No way to know really.


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Now let's not get silly....again, I'm just planning to replace the one broken shaft, or both of them if need be.  Not planning a complete housing swap!

 

Ah I gotcha


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I bought the Ashcroft front axle from Roverware. good quality and friendly chap!


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So to close this circle, here's what happened.

 

Ashcroft got some axles in so I ordered direct.  The exchange rate is pretty good at the moment so even with the shipping (2-day) it was reasonable.  I also picked up a set of Bearmach flanges from RoverWare while I was down there picking up a fuel pump (but that's another story).

 

Here's my broken GBR passenger side axle-

 

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IMG-20180210-WA0022-M.jpg

 

20180210_182333-M.jpg

 

Here's a stock axle, the broken GBR, and the new Ashcroft all lined up.  This shows why I also needed to get the new flanges.

 

It's worth noting the Ashcroft is thinner at 27.95mm vs the GBR at 29.75mm.  

 

20180210_181942-M.jpg

 

Although both the GBR and B-M flanges are stamped as '859', you can see the substantial difference between the 'thick' and 'thin' style.  The nuts interchange, though the GBR part is aluminum and finished a bit nicer than the steel B-M nut.

 

20180210_181200-M.jpg

 

The real kicker was when I pulled out the driver's side axle.  It was hard to get out of the diff - I had to pull the wheel off and use a prybar to get it free.  Once I had it out, I saw why --- looks like it was a good thing I ordered both sides!

 

IMG-20180210-WA0026-M.jpg


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So to close this circle, here's what happened.

Ashcroft got some axles in so I ordered direct. The exchange rate is pretty good at the moment so even with the shipping (2-day) it was reasonable. I also picked up a set of Bearmach flanges from RoverWare while I was down there picking up a fuel pump (but that's another story).

Here's my broken GBR passenger side axle-

20180210_182317-M.jpg

IMG-20180210-WA0022-M.jpg

20180210_182333-M.jpg

Here's a stock axle, the broken GBR, and the new Ashcroft all lined up. This shows why I also needed to get the new flanges.

It's worth noting the Ashcroft is thinner at 27.95mm vs the GBR at 29.75mm.

20180210_181942-M.jpg

Although both the GBR and B-M flanges are stamped as '859', you can see the substantial difference between the 'thick' and 'thin' style. The nuts interchange, though the GBR part is aluminum and finished a bit nicer than the steel B-M nut.

20180210_181200-M.jpg

The real kicker was when I pulled out the driver's side axle. It was hard to get out of the diff - I had to pull the wheel off and use a prybar to get it free. Once I had it out, I saw why --- looks like it was a good thing I ordered both sides!

IMG-20180210-WA0026-M.jpg

Dang, you still excited to go up to 37’s?!


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Dang, you still excited to go up to 37’s?!


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Well, the Aschcrofts do have a 5-year breakage warranty....


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Well, the Aschcrofts do have a 5-year breakage warranty....


Pitbull just had their annual half off sale...wish I would have known! Who knows what dump/crazy size I would have gotten...


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Pitbull has an annual half-off sale?  Must file that for future reference...

 

 

 

<edit>

Holy $#&!  I just checked the pricing on a 37x12.50x17 - $683 + shipping!

 

Even at half-off I can't afford that kind of money   :blink:


Edited by DHappel, 12 February 2018 - 09:27 AM.

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Pitbull has an annual half-off sale? Must file that for future reference...



<edit>
Holy $#&! I just checked the pricing on a 37x12.50x17 - $683 + shipping!

Even at half-off I can't afford that kind of money :blink:


Half off puts them at the pricing of others...I think the maxxis trepadores are best bet.

Those pitbull rockers are competition grade BTW.


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Well, the Aschcrofts do have a 5-year breakage warranty....

Hopefully the axle shafts aren’t too strong and are still the weak points. Nice to have those floating like that. Those D2’s are a pain in comparison


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